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+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 1 Date: 17 Apr 85 15:45:42 EST (Wed)
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 2 From: Martin David Connor <mdc@MIT-HTVAX.ARPA>
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 3
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 4 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 85 16:28:15 est
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 5 From: Richard M. Stallman <rms@mit-prep>
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 6
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 7 Can you help this person? Also, can you give me the rest of ledit
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 8 to distribute, plus some info on how to use it?
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 9
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 10 I have put the files "ledit.l" and "leditcfns.c" on prep:~mdc.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 11 Much to my disgust ledit.l relied on some bogus little package of
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 12 functions on HT, so I had to massage it a bit.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 13
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 14 To get it to work, one must:
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 15
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 16 - Compile leditcfns.c with something like:
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 17
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 18 cc leditcfns.c
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 19
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 20 - Edit ledit.l, changing the line beginning "(cfasl" to
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 21 have the right pathname for the cfns file you compiled in
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 22 the last step.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 23
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 24 - Compile ledit.l with:
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 25
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 26 liszt ledit.l
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 27
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 28 Then put the following lines in your .lisprc file:
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 29
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 30 ;load in functions for emacs interface
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 31 (load "//src//mdc//ledit//ledit") ; Location of Ledit library
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 32 (set-proc-str "%gnumacs") ; Name of editor
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 33
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 34 Then you can use ^E <RETURN> to get from LISP back to gnumacs.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 35
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 36 Here is the part of my .emacs file that pertains to ledit.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 37
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 38 ;;; Set up ledit mode
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 39 (setq ledit-go-to-lisp-string "%lisp")
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 40 (setq lisp-mode-hook 'ledit-from-lisp-mode)
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 41
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 42 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 85 11:26:32 cst
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 43 From: neves@wisc-ai.arpa (David Neves)
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 44
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 45 This is a documentation question.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 46 I cannot figure out how to use Ledit. I suspect I need some
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 47 function on the Franz Lisp end of things to go to Emacs and read in
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 48 the temporary file. Is this true? Is the Lisp job started within
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 49 Emacs or outside of emacs? I'm just plain confused. Perhaps a couple
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 50 of words from someone in the know would help.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 51
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 52 A related question. I have been using a shell buffer when interacting
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 53 with Lisp (ie. put a definition in the kill buffer and then yank it
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 54 into the shell buffer to redefine it). This is nice but tends to fill
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 55 up the shell buffer with lots of code (I'd rather keep calls to functions
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 56 in the shell and not the functions themselves).
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 57 My question: Is using the shell buffer "better" than ledit? Am I using
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 58 it in the best way (i.e. copying definitions from an edit buffer to the
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 59 shell buffer)? -Thanks, David Neves
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 60
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 61 I have found that ledit works well for doing programming development
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 62 when you are changing lots of little pieces of a file and don't wish
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 63 to recompile the whole file. Of course M-X Compile is very nice for
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 64 calling up a liszt on a buffer and watching it in the another window.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 65 Of course the interface of something like NIL is even better because
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 66 you can compile your function directly into your lisp. But since NIL
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 67 doesn't run under Unix, this is probably the next best thing.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 68
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 69 I have tried the 2 window method (shell in lower window, lisp code in
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 70 upper), and have found it a little awkward. It does have certain
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 71 advantages, but most of the time, I get be fine using M-C-D to save a
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 72 defun for lisp, and C-X Z to jump back to LISP. C-E RETURN from lisp
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 73 is also mnemonic for getting back to gnumacs.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 74
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 75 I hope this helps somewhat.
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 76
+ ��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇����紮�鐃醇�鐃緒申鐃緒申����鐃初��膩��鰹申鐃順�渇��膩��� 77