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10 The GNU mailing lists are archived at http://lists.gnu.org. |
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12 * Some GNU mailing lists are also distributed as USENET news groups |
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14 Certain GNU mailing lists are gated both ways with the gnu.all |
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15 newsgroups at uunet. You can tell which they are, because the names |
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16 correspond. For instance, bug-gnu-emacs corresponds to gnu.emacs.bug; |
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17 info-gnu-emacs, to gnu.emacs.announce; help-gnu-emacs, to |
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18 gnu.emacs.help; gnu-emacs-sources, to gnu.emacs.sources. Replacing |
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19 `emacs' with some other program in those four examples shows you |
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20 the whole pattern. |
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22 If you don't know if your site is on USENET, ask your system |
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23 administrator. If you are a USENET site and don't get the gnu.all |
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24 newsgroups, please ask your USENET administrator to get them. If he has |
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25 your feeds ask their feeds, you should win. And everyone else wins: |
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26 newsgroups make better use of the limited bandwidth of the computer |
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27 networks and your home machine than mailing list traffic; and staying |
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28 off the mailing lists make better use of the people who maintain the |
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29 lists and the machines that the GNU people working with rms use (i.e. we |
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30 have more time to produce code!!). Thanx. |
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32 * Getting the mailing lists directly | |
33 | |
34 If several users at your site or local network want to read a list and | |
35 you aren't a USENET site, Project GNU would prefer that you would set up | |
36 one address that redistributes locally. This reduces overhead on our | |
37 people and machines, your gateway machine, and the network(s) used to | |
38 transport the mail from us to you. | |
39 | |
40 * How to subscribe to and report bugs in mailing lists | |
41 | |
42 Send requests to be added or removed, to help-gnu-emacs-request (or | |
43 info-gnu-request, bug-gdb-request, etc.), NOT to info-gnu-emacs (or | |
44 info-gnu, etc.). Most <LIST_NAME>-request addresses are now handled | |
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45 automagically by GNU Mailman. |
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47 If you need to report problems to a human, send mail to gnu@gnu.org | |
48 explaining the problem. | |
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50 Many of the GNU mailing lists are very large and are received by many | |
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51 people. Most are unmoderated, so please don't send them anything that |
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52 is not seriously important to all their readers. |
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54 If a message you mail to a list is returned from a MAILER-DAEMON (often | |
55 with the line: | |
56 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- | |
57 don't resend the message to the list. All this return means is that | |
58 your original message failed to reach a few addresses on the list. Such | |
59 messages are NEVER a reason to resend a piece of mail a 2nd time. This | |
60 just bothers all (less the few delivery failures (which will probably | |
61 just fail again!)) of the readers of the list with a message they have | |
62 already seen. It also wastes computer and network resources. | |
63 | |
64 It is appropriate to send these to the -request address for a list, and | |
65 ask them to check the problem out. | |
66 | |
67 * Send Specific Requests for Information to: gnu@gnu.org | |
68 | |
69 Specific requests for information about obtaining GNU software, or GNU | |
70 activities in Cambridge and elsewhere can be directed to: | |
71 gnu@gnu.org | |
72 | |
73 * General Information about all lists | |
74 | |
75 Please keep each message under 25,000 characters. Some mailers bounce | |
76 messages that are longer than this. If your message is long, it is | |
77 generally better to send a message offering to make the large file | |
78 available to only those people who want it (e.g. mailing it to people | |
79 who ask, or putting it up for FTP). In the case of gnu.emacs.sources, | |
80 somewhat larger postings (up to 10 parts of no more than 25,000 | |
81 characters each) are acceptable (assuming they are likely to be of | |
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82 interest to a reasonable number of people); if it is larger than that, |
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83 put it in a web page and announce its URL. Good bug reports are short. |
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84 See section '* General Information about bug-* lists and ...' for |
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85 further details. |
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87 Most of the time, when you reply to a message sent to a list, the reply | |
88 should not go to the list. But most mail reading programs supply, by | |
89 default, all the recipients of the original as recipients of the reply. | |
90 Make a point of deleting the list address from the header when it does | |
91 not belong. This prevents bothering all readers of a list, and reduces | |
92 network congestion. | |
93 | |
94 The GNU mailing lists and newsgroups, like the GNU project itself, exist | |
95 to promote the freedom to share software. So don't use these lists to | |
96 promote or recommend non-free software or documentation, like | |
97 proprietary books on GNU software. (Using them to post ordering | |
98 information is the ultimate faux pas.) If there is no free program to | |
99 do a certain task, then somebody should write one! Similarly, free | |
100 documentation that is inadequate should be improved--a way in which | |
101 non-programmers can make a valuable contribution. See also the article | |
102 at <URL:http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html>. | |
103 | |
104 * General Information about info-* lists | |
105 | |
106 These lists and their newsgroups are meant for important announcements. | |
107 Since the GNU project uses software development as a means for social | |
108 change, the announcements may be technical or political. | |
109 | |
110 Most GNU projects info-* lists (and their corresponding gnu.*.announce | |
111 newsgroups) are moderated to keep their content significant and | |
112 relevant. If you have a bug to report, send it to the bug-* list. If | |
113 you need help on something else and the help-* list exists, ask it. | |
114 | |
115 See section '* General Information about all lists'. | |
116 | |
117 * General Information about help-* lists | |
118 | |
119 These lists (and their newsgroups) exist for anyone to ask questions | |
120 about the GNU software that the list deals with. The lists are read by | |
121 people who are willing to take the time to help other users. | |
122 | |
123 When you answer the questions that people ask on the help-* lists, keep | |
124 in mind that you shouldn't answer by promoting a proprietary program as | |
125 a solution. The only real solutions are the ones all the readers can | |
126 share. | |
127 | |
128 If a program crashes, or if you build it following the standard | |
129 procedure on a system on which it is supposed to work and it does not | |
130 work at all, or if an command does not behave as it is documented to | |
131 behave, this is a bug. Don't send bug reports to a help-* list; mail | |
132 them to the bug-* list instead. | |
133 | |
134 See section '* General Information about all lists'. | |
135 | |
136 * General Information about bug-* lists and reporting program bugs | |
137 | |
138 If you think something is a bug in a program, it might be one; or, it | |
139 might be a misunderstanding or even a feature. Before beginning to | |
140 report bugs, please read the section ``Reporting Emacs Bugs'' toward the | |
141 end of the GNU Emacs reference manual (or node Emacs/Bugs in Emacs's | |
142 built-in Info system) for a discussion of how and when to send in bug | |
143 reports. For GNU programs other than GNU Emacs, also consult their | |
144 documentation for their bug reporting procedures. Always include the | |
145 version number of the GNU program, as well as the operating system and | |
146 machine the program was ran on (if the program doesn't have a version | |
147 number, send the date of the latest entry in the file ChangeLog). For | |
148 GNU Emacs bugs, type "M-x emacs-version". A debugger backtrace of any | |
149 core dump can also be useful. Be careful to separate out hypothesis | |
150 from fact! For bugs in GNU Emacs lisp, set variable debug-on-error to | |
151 t, and re-enter the command(s) that cause the error message; Emacs will | |
152 pop up a debug buffer if something is wrong; please include a copy of | |
153 the buffer in your bug report. Please also try to make your bug report | |
154 as short as possible; distill the problem to as few lines of code and/or | |
155 input as possible. GNU maintainers give priority to the shortest, high | |
156 quality bug reports. | |
157 | |
158 Please don't send in a patch without a test case to illustrate the | |
159 problem the patch is supposed to fix. Sometimes the patches aren't | |
160 correct or aren't the best way to do the job, and without a test case | |
161 there is no way to debug an alternate fix. | |
162 | |
163 The purpose of reporting a bug is to enable the bug to be fixed for the | |
164 sake of the whole community of users. You may or may not receive a | |
165 response; the maintainers will send one if that helps them find or | |
166 verify a fix. Most GNU maintainers are volunteers and all are | |
167 overworked; they don't have time to help individuals and still fix the | |
168 bugs and make the improvements that everyone wants. If you want help | |
169 for yourself in particular, you may have to hire someone. The GNU | |
170 project maintains a list of people providing such services. It is | |
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171 found in <URL:http://www.gnu.org/prep/SERVICE>. |
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173 Anything addressed to the implementors and maintainers of a GNU program | |
174 via a bug-* list, should NOT be sent to the corresponding info-* or | |
175 help-* list. | |
176 | |
177 Please DON'T post your bug reports on the gnu.*.bug newsgroups! Mail | |
178 them to bug-*@gnu.org instead! At first sight, it seems to make no | |
179 difference: anything sent to one will be propagated to the other; but: | |
180 - if you post on the newsgroup, the information about how to | |
181 reach you is lost in the message that goes on the mailing list. It | |
182 can be very important to know how to reach you, if there is anything | |
183 in the bug report that we don't understand; | |
184 - bug reports reach the GNU maintainers quickest when they are | |
185 sent to the bug-* mailing list submittal address; | |
186 - mail is much more reliable then netnews; and | |
187 - if the internet mailers can't get your bug report delivered, | |
188 they almost always send you an error message, so you can find another | |
189 way to get the bug report in. When netnews fails to get your message | |
190 delivered to the maintainers, you'll never know about it and the | |
191 maintainers will never see the bug report. | |
192 | |
193 And please DON'T post your GNU bug reports to comp.* or other gnu.* | |
194 newsgroups, they never make it to the GNU maintainers at all. Please | |
195 mail them to bug-*@gnu.org instead! | |
196 | |
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199 ** info-gnu-request@gnu.org to subscribe to info-gnu |
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201 gnUSENET newsgroup: gnu.announce |
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202 Send announcements to: info-gnu@gnu.org |
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204 This list distributes progress reports on the GNU Project. It is also | |
205 used by the GNU Project to ask people for various kinds of help. It is | |
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206 moderated and NOT for general discussion. |
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208 ** gnu-misc-discuss-request@gnu.org to subscribe to gnu-misc-discuss |
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210 gnUSENET newsgroup: gnu.misc.discuss |
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211 Send contributions to: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org |
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213 This list is for serious discussion of free software, the GNU Project, |
26119 | 214 the GNU Manifesto, and their implications. It's THE place for |
215 discussion that is not appropriate in the other GNU mailing lists and | |
216 gnUSENET newsgroups. | |
217 | |
218 Flaming is out of place. Tit-for-tat is not welcome. Repetition | |
219 should not occur. | |
220 | |
221 Good READING and writing are expected. Before posting, wait a while, | |
222 cool off, and think. | |
223 | |
224 Don't use this group for complaints and bug reports about GNU software! | |
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225 The maintainers of the package you are using probably don't read this |
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226 group; they won't see your complaint. Use the appropriate bug-reporting |
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227 mailing list instead, so that people who can do something about the |
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228 problem will see it. Likewise, use the help- list for technical |
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229 questions. |
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231 Don't trust pronouncements made on gnu-misc-discuss about what GNU is, | |
232 what FSF position is, what the GNU General Public License is, etc., | |
233 unless they are made by someone you know is well connected with GNU and | |
234 are sure the message is not forged. | |
235 | |
236 USENET and gnUSENET readers are expected to have read ALL the articles | |
237 in news.announce.newusers before posting. If news.announce.newusers is | |
238 empty at your site, wait (the articles are posted monthly), your posting | |
239 isn't that urgent! Readers on the Internet can anonymous FTP these | |
240 articles from host ftp.uu.net under directory ?? | |
241 | |
242 Remember, "GNUs Not Unix" and "gnUSENET is Not USENET". We have | |
243 higher standards! | |
244 | |
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245 ** guile-sources-request@gnu.org to subscribe to guile-sources |
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247 gnUSENET newsgroup: NONE PLANNED |
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248 Guile source code to: guile-sources@gnu.org |
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250 This list will be for the posting, by their authors, of GUILE, Scheme, | |
251 and C sources and patches that improve Guile. Its contents will be | |
252 reviewed by the FSF for inclusion in future releases of GUILE. | |
253 | |
254 Please do NOT discuss or request source code here. Use bug-guile for | |
255 those purposes. This allows the automatic archiving of sources posted | |
256 to this list. | |
257 | |
258 Please do NOT post such sources to any other GNU mailing list (e.g | |
259 bug-guile) or gnUSENET newsgroups. It's up to each poster to decide | |
260 whether to cross-post to any non-gnUSENET newsgroup. | |
261 | |
262 Please do NOT announce that you have posted source code to guile.sources | |
263 to any other GNU mailing list (e.g. bug-guile) or gnUSENET newsgroups. | |
264 People who want to keep up with sources will read this list. It's up to | |
265 each poster to decide whether to announce a guile.sources article in any | |
266 non-gnUSENET newsgroup (e.g. comp.emacs or comp.sources.d). | |
267 | |
268 If source or patches that were previously posted or a simple fix is | |
269 requested in bug-guile, please mail it to the requester. Do NOT | |
270 repost it. If you also want something that is requested, send mail to | |
271 the requester asking him to forward it to you. This kind of traffic is | |
272 best handled by e-mail, not by a broadcast medium that reaches millions | |
273 of sites. | |
274 | |
275 If the requested source is very long (>10k bytes) send mail offering to | |
276 send it. This prevents the requester from getting many redundant copies | |
277 and saves network bandwidth. | |
278 | |
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279 ** gnu-emacs-sources-request@gnu.org to subscribe to gnu-emacs-sources |
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281 gnUSENET newsgroup: gnu.emacs.sources |
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282 GNU Emacs source code to: gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org |
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284 This list/newsgroup will be for the posting, by their authors, of Emacs | |
285 Lisp and C sources and patches that improve GNU Emacs. Its contents | |
286 will be reviewed by the FSF for inclusion in future releases of GNU | |
287 Emacs. | |
288 | |
289 Please do NOT discuss or request source code here. Use | |
290 help-gnu-emacs/gnu.emacs.help for those purposes. This allows the | |
291 automatic archiving of sources posted to this list/newsgroup. | |
292 | |
293 Please do NOT post such sources to any other GNU mailing list (e.g | |
294 help-gnu-emacs) or gnUSENET newsgroups (e.g. gnu.emacs.help). It's up | |
295 to each poster to decide whether to cross-post to any non-gnUSENET | |
296 newsgroup (e.g. comp.emacs or vmsnet.sources). | |
297 | |
298 Please do NOT announce that you have posted source code to | |
299 gnu.emacs.sources to any other GNU mailing list (e.g. help-gnu-emacs) or | |
300 gnUSENET newsgroups (e.g. gnu.emacs.help). People who want to keep up | |
301 with sources will read this list/newsgroup. It's up to each poster to | |
302 decide whether to announce a gnu.emacs.sources article in any | |
303 non-gnUSENET newsgroup (e.g. comp.emacs or comp.sources.d). | |
304 | |
305 If source or patches that were previously posted or a simple fix is | |
306 requested in help-gnu-emacs, please mail it to the requester. Do NOT | |
307 repost it. If you also want something that is requested, send mail to | |
308 the requester asking him to forward it to you. This kind of traffic is | |
309 best handled by e-mail, not by a broadcast medium that reaches millions | |
310 of sites. | |
311 | |
312 If the requested source is very long (>10k bytes) send mail offering to | |
313 send it. This prevents the requester from getting many redundant copies | |
314 and saves network bandwidth. | |
315 | |
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325 a copy of this file, to deal in the file without restriction, including |
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