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11 <P><B><I>In medias res</I></B></P>
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13 <P>Są takie dwa tematy, które zawsze wywołują wielką dyskusję i ogniste boje na
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14 liście dyskusyjnej <A
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15 HREF="http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/cgi-bin/htsearch">użytkowników mplayera</A>.
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16 Tematem numer jeden jest:</P>
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18 <A NAME=gcc><P><B><I>serie GCC 2.96</I></B></P>
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20 <P><B>Przeczytaj też <A HREF="gcc-2.96-3.0.html">ten</A> tekst !!!</B></P>
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22 <P><I>Tło</I>: były/są serie GCC <B>2.95</B>. Najlepszą z nich była 2.95.3.
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23 Zwróć uwagę na sposób numerowania wersji jądra. Oto jak drużyna GCC numeruje
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24 swoje kompilatory. Serie 2.95 są dobre. Nigdy nie widziano, aby coś źle się
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25 skompilowało z przyczyny błędów w 2.95.</P>
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27 <P><I>Poczynania</I>: <B>RedHat</B> rozpoczął włączanie wersji GCC <B>2.96</B>
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28 w swoich dystrybucjach. Zwróć uwagę na numerację wersji. To powinno być
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29 numerowanie drużyny GCC. Oni nałożyli łatę na wersję CVS GCC (coś na
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30 pograniczu 2.95 a 3.0). Ta łata była bardzo poważna i tej werji użyto do
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31 dystrybucji, ponieważ wersja 3.0 nie była skończona na czas, a oni chcieli mieć
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32 obsługę IA64 ASAP (z powodów własnych interesów). A przecież GCC 2.95
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33 źle kompiluje bash na architekturze s390 (nie ma dystrybucji RedHata dla
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34 s390..).</P>
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36 <P><I>Fakty</I>: proces kompilacji <B>MPlayera</B> wymaga
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37 <CODE>--disable-gcc-checking</CODE>, aby pominąć wykrywanie wersji GCC 2.96
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38 (wyraźnie wymagana jest ta opcja przy <B>egcs</B> również; to dlatego, że my
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39 nie testujemy <B>MPlayera</B> na egcs. Proszę nam wybaczyć, ale my raczej
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40 zajmujemy się rozwijaniem <B>MPlayera</B>). Jeżeli znasz <B>MPlayera</B>,
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41 powinieneś wiedzieć, że jest on bardzo szybki. Osiąga to poprzez
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42 zoptymalizowanie kodu dla MMX/SSE/3DNow/itp., dzięki fastmemcpy i wielu innym
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43 właściwościom. <B>MPlayer</B> zawierał instrujkcje MMX/3DNow w składni, którą
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44 wszystkie kompilatory Linuksowe akceptują ... za wyjątkiem GCC RedHata (to
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45 określenie jest bardziej zgodne ze standardem). On po prostu je
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46 <B><I>przeskakuje</I></B>. Nie zgłasza błędów. Nie wysyła ostrzeżeń. <B>I</B>,
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47 tam jest "Lame". Z gcc 2.96, sprawdzanie jakości (<CODE>make test</CODE> po
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48 kompilacji) <I>nawet się nie uruchamia!!!</I> Hej, ale on kompiluje bash na
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49 s390 i IA64.</P>
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51 <P><I>Wnioski</I>: większość developerów na świecie zaczęło mieć złe odczucia
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52 w związku z GCC 2.96 RedHata. Powiedzieli oni swoim użytkownikom RedHat'a, aby
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53 używali do kompilacji innych kompilatorów, niż 2.96. Rozczarowanie użytkowników
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54 RedHata powoli przemieniło się w gniew. Co było takiego dobrego, w
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55 przeciwieństwie do bólu głowy developerów, w dolewaniu oliwy do
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56 anty-RedHatowskiego ognia, wprawiającym użytkowników w konsternację? Ja nie
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57 znam odpowiedzi na to pytanie.</P>
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59 <P><I>Teraźniejszość</I>: RedHat twierdzi, że GCC 2.96-85 i kolejne wersje są
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60 naprawione i pracują właściwie. Zwróć uwagę na numerację wersji.To typowe, że
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61 zaczęli z czymś takim. A co z GCC 2.96.85? Nieistotne. Nie szukam, ale
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62 wciąż widzę błędy w 2.96. To jest bez znaczenia teraz, miejmy nadzieję, że
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63 <B>RedHat zapomni o 2.96</B> i skieruje się ku <B>3.0</B>. W kierunku
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64 porządnie załatanego 3.0...</P>
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66 <P><I>To, czego ja tu nie rozumiem</I>, to z jakiego powodu jesteśmy oblegani
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67 przez użytkowników RedHata, żalących się na komunikaty ostrzegawcze i dokumenty
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68 w rodzaju "trzymaj się z dala" w <B>MPlayerze</B>. Dlaczego jesteśmy nazywani
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69 "umysłowo upośledzonymi", "totalnymi dupkami", "dziecinnymi w swoim myśleniu"
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70 przez <B>użytkowników RedHata</B>, na naszej mailowej liście dyskusyjnej, a
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71 nawet na liście <B>redhat-devel</B>. Rozważali oni nawet stworzenie odgałęzienia
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72 <B>MPlayera</B> dla nich samych. Użytkownicy RedHata. Dlaczego? Czy to RedHat
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73 stworzył kompilator, dlaczego <U>wy</U> musicie nas nienawidzieć? Jesteście aż
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74 <U>takimi</U> wyznawcami RedHata? Proszę, przestańcie. My nie chowamy
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75 urazy do użytkowników, nie ważne jak głośno ogłaszacie coś przeciwnego. Idźcie,
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76 proszę, użerać się z Linusem Torvaldsem, z developerami DRI (och, teraz wiem już
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77 dlaczego oni zostali opuszczeni przez VA!), Wine, avifile. Jeśli nawet
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78 jesteśmy aroganccy, czy nie jesteśmy tacy sami jak wcześniej wspomniani?
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79 Dlaczego to <B>my</B> musimy cierpieć z powodu niesłusznego gniewu?</P>
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81 <P><A HREF="mailto:willis_matthew@yahoo.com">Matt Willis</A> uprzejmie
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82 dostarczył proste howto (jak to zrobić) kompilacji GCC-3.0.3, które poniżej
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83 zamieszczam:</P>
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85 <P>
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86 <UL>
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87 <LI>Ściągnij gcc. Idź na stronę: <A
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88 HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html">http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html</A>.
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89 Ja ściągnąłem następujące pliki, ale ty nie potrzebujesz ich wszystkich:<BR>
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90 <CODE>gcc-g++-3.0.3.tar.gz<BR>
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91 gcc-objc-3.0.3.tar.gz<BR>
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92 gcc-3.0.3.tar.gz<BR>
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93 gcc-g77-3.0.3.tar.gz<BR>
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94 gcc-testsuite-3.0.3.tar.gz<BR>
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95 gcc-core-3.0.3.tar.gz<BR>
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96 gcc-java-3.0.3.tar.gz</CODE>
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97 </LI>
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98
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99 <LI>Rozpakuj pliki, stwórz katalog w którym będizesz budował i zbuduj:
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100 <CODE><PRE>
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101 tar xvzf gcc-*3.0.3.tar.gz
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102 mkdir gcc-build; cd gcc-build
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103 ../gcc-3.0.3/configure --prefix=/opt --program-suffix=-3.0.3
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104 make bootstrap; mkdir -p /opt; make install</PRE></CODE>
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105
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106 <LI>Ustaw swoją ścieżkę, aby zawierała /opt/bin<BR>
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107 <CODE>export PATH=/opt/bin:${PATH}</CODE>
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108
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109 <LI>Teraz możesz budować MPlayera.</LI>
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110 </UL>
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111 </P>
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112
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113 <A NAME=binary><P><B><I>Dystrybucja MPlayera w postaci binariów</I></B></P>
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114
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115 <P>Tony użytkowników proszą nas o to. Na przykład użytkownicy Debiana maja
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116 zwyczaj mówić: Oh, mogę zrobić <CODE>apt-get install avifile</CODE>, dlaczego
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117 mam <B>kompilować MPlayera</B>? To brzmi rozsądnie, ale problem leży nieco
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118 głębiej, niż:
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119 ci-pieprzeni-developerzy-MPlayera-nienawidzą-gcc-2.96-i-RedHata-i-Debiana.</P>
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120
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121 <P>Przyczyny: <B>Prawo</B></P>
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122
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123 <P><B>MPlayer</B> zapisany jest jako <U>źródła</U>. Zawiera on kilka plików z
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124 niekompatybilnymi liecencjami w punktach dotyczących redystrybucji. Jako
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125 źródłowe pliki, mają one prawo współistnieć w tym samym projekcie.</P>
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126
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127 <P>Jednakże <U>ANI BINARIA, ANI BINARNE PAKIETY <B>MPlayera</B> NIE MAJĄ PRAWA
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128 ISTNIEĆ W CHWILI, GDY TAKIE OBIEKTY ŁAMIĄ LICENCJE</U>. LUDZIE, KTÓRZY
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129 ROZPROWADZAJĄ TAKIE PAKIETY BINARNE POSTĘPUJĄ NIELEGALNIE.</P>
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130
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131 <P>Więc jeśli znasz kogoś, kto rozporządza binarnymi pakietami, wówczas daj mu
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132 do przeczytania ten tekst i (poproś go o) kontakt z nami. To co on/ona robi,
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133 jest nielegalne I TO JUŻ NIE JEST <B>MPlayer</B>, a <U>jego/jej</U> mplayer.
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134 Jeśli źle działa, to to jest jego/jej wina. Niech nikt nie przychodzi i nie
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135 żali się na listę mailową <B>MPlayera</B>, bo najprawdopodobniej zostanie
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136 zapisany na czarną listę.</P>
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137
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138 <P>Przyczyny: <B>Techniczne</B></P>
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139
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140 <P>
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141 <UL>
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142 <LI>Optymalizacja szybkości działania <B>MPlayera</B> (MMX, SSE, fastmemcpy,
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143 itp) jest zdeterminowana podczas kompilacji. Z tego powodu skompilowane
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144 binaria zawierają bardzo specyficzny dla danego procesora kod. Binaria
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145 <B>MPlayera</B> skompilowane dla K6 nie będą wydolne na procesorach Pentium
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146 i vice versa. To zostało rozpracowane poprzez wykrywanie runtime, co nie
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147 jest łatwą do obejścia zrobienia, gdyż sprawia masową utratę prędkości.
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148 Jeśli nie wierzysz (to było juz 10000 razy wyjaśnione w szczegółach na
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149 mplayer-users, przeszukaj archiwum), to rozwikłaj to i wyślij nam patch.
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150 Ktoś zaczął nad tym pracować, ale nie ma o nim wieści od tamtej pory.</LI>
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151 <LI>System audio/video <B>MPlayera</B> nie jest oparty na systemie
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152 wtyczek. System audio/video jest wkompilowany w binaria, co powoduje
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153 zależność binariów od różnych bibliotek (GUI zależy od GTK, DivX4 zależy od
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154 libdivxdecore, SDL zależy od libSDL, każde wydanie SDL zawiera unikalny
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155 błąd, ktory musi być ominięty w czasie kompilacji, X11 wyjście w różny
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156 sposób się kompiluje X3 i X4, itp). Możesz powiedzieć: więc zróbmy 30
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157 wersji binariów do ściągnięcia! Nie zrobimy tego. Zrobimy te rzeczy w
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158 postaci wtyczek w przyszłości.</LI>
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159 </UL>
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160
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161 <A NAME=nvidia><P><B><I>NVidia</I></B></P>
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162
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163 <P>Nie lubimy binarnych sterowników nvidii, ich jakości, niestabilności,
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164 nieistniejącego wsparcia dla użytkowników, wciąż pojawiających się nowych
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165 błędów. Większość użytkowników ma do nich podobne podejście. Skontaktowali się
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166 z nami później ludzie z NVidii i powiedzieli, że te błędy nie istnieją,
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167 niestabilność jest winą chipów AGP i odmówili opublikowania raportu o
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168 błędach sterownika (np. o fioletowej linii). Więc jeśli masz problem ze swoją
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169 NVidią, uaktualizuj sterownik nvidii i/lub kup nową płytę główną.</P>
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170
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171 <A NAME=kotsog><P><B><I>Joe Barr</I></B></P>
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172
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173 <P>On nie odpowiada na nasze maile. Jego wydawca nie odpowiada na nasze maile.
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174 Sieć jest pełna jego fałszywych stwierdzeń i oskarżeń (on widocznie nei lubi na
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175 przykład chłopaków z BSD, z powodu różnicy poglądów [na jaki temat?]).</P>
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176
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177 <P>Oto kilka cytatów wypowiedzi różnych ludzi na temat Joe Barr (tylko po to,
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178 abyś zrozumiał, dlaczego on się kompletnie nie liczy):</P>
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179
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180 <P><I>"Wszyscy pamiętacie LinuxWorld 2000, kiedy on twierdził, że Linus T.
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181 powiedział, że FreeBSD, to garstka developerów. Linus nie powiedział NICZEGO w
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182 tym rodzaju. Kiedy to wypomniano Joe'mu, jego reakcją było wyzwanie ludzi
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183 utrzymujących BSD of dupków i glupków."</I></P>
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184
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185 <P><I>"On jest interesujący, ale kiepsko mu wychodzi unikanie ...
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186 kontrowersyjności. Joe Barr był regularnym uczestnikiem forum Willa Zachmanna
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187 w Compuserve, kilka lat temu. Był zwolennikiem OS/2 (ja również byłem
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188 zwolennikiem OS/2). Często przekraczał wszelkie granice, rozwścieczając ludzi
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189 i podejrzewam, że to były ciężkie czasy dla niego. Trochę złagodniał ostatnio,
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190 będąc ocenionym przez własny dział redakcyjny. Stonowany, subtelny humor nie był
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191 jednak jesgo stylem w tamtych wczesnych dniach w zupełności. "</I></P>
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192 </HTML>