Mercurial > mplayer.hg
annotate DOCS/users_against_developers.html @ 6072:405cf26ca5b8
100l sorry, won't commit again.
author | jonas |
---|---|
date | Mon, 13 May 2002 18:40:08 +0000 |
parents | 3ca1f8cf7bfc |
children | 4e5c236ade69 |
rev | line source |
---|---|
2867 | 1 <HTML> |
4982
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
2 |
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
3 <HEAD> |
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
4 <STYLE> |
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
5 .text |
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
6 {font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; |
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
7 font-size : 14px;} |
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
8 </STYLE> |
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
9 </HEAD> |
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
10 |
2867 | 11 <BODY BGCOLOR=white> |
12 | |
4982
6cb9d9a1716d
HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign
gabucino
parents:
4511
diff
changeset
|
13 <FONT CLASS="text"> |
2867 | 14 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
15 <P><B>In medias res</B></P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
16 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
17 <P>There are two major topics which always cause huge dispute and flame on the |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
18 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
19 mailing list. Number one is the topic of the</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
20 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
21 <P><A NAME=gcc><B>GCC 2.96 series</B></A></P> |
2867 | 22 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
23 <P><B>The background:</B> The GCC <B>2.95</B> series is an official GNU release |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
24 and version 2.95.3 of GCC is the most bug-free in that series. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
25 We have never noticed compilation problems that we could trace to gcc-2.95.3. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
26 Starting with Red Hat Linux 7.0, <B>Red Hat</B> included a heavily |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
27 patched CVS version of GCC in their distribution and named it <B>2.96</B>. Red |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
28 Hat included this version in the distribution because GCC 3.0 was not finished at |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
29 the time, and they needed a compiler that worked well on all of their supported |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
30 platforms, including IA64 and s390. The Linux distributor <B>Mandrake</B> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
31 also followed Red Hat's example and started shipping GCC 2.96 with their |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
32 Linux-Mandrake 8.0 series. </P> |
3053 | 33 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
34 <P><B>The statements:</B> The GCC team disclaimed any link with GCC 2.96 and issued an |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
35 <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html">official response</A> to GCC 2.96. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
36 Many developers around the world began having problems with GCC 2.96, and |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
37 started recommending other compilers. Examples are |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
38 <A HREF="http://www.apachelabs.org/apr-mbox/200106.mbox/%3c20010623194228.C25512@ebuilt.com%3e">Apache</A>, |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
39 <A HREF="http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql-3.23.html">MySQL</A>, |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
40 <A HREF="http://avifile.sourceforge.net/news-old1.htm">avifile</A> and |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
41 <A HREF="http://www.winehq.com/news/?view=92#RH 7.1 gcc fixes compiler bug">Wine</A>. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
42 Other interesting links are |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
43 <A HREF="http://www.realtimelinux.org/archives/rtai/20017/0144.html">Real time Linux</A>, |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
44 <A HREF="http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/kernel-newsflash.html"> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
45 Linux kernel news flash about kernel 2.4.17</A> and |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
46 <A HREF="http://www.voy.com/3516/572.html">Voy Forum</A>. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
47 <B>MPlayer</B> also suffered from intermittent problems that were all solved by |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
48 switching to a different version of GCC. Several projects started implementing |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
49 workarounds for some of the 2.96 issues, but we refused to fix other people's |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
50 bugs, especially since some workarounds may imply a performance penalty.</P> |
2867 | 51 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
52 <P>You can read about the other side of the story |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
53 <A HREF="http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html">here</A>. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
54 GCC 2.96 does not allow | (pipe) characters in assembler comments |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
55 because it supports Intel as well as AT&T Syntax and the | character is a |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
56 symbol in the Intel variant. The problem is that it <B>silently</B> ignores the |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
57 whole assembler block. This is supposedly fixed now, GCC prints a warning instead |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
58 of skipping the block.</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
59 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
60 <P><B>The present:</B> Red Hat says that GCC 2.96-85 and above is fixed. The |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
61 situation has indeed improved, yet we still see problem reports on our |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
62 mailing lists that disappear with a different compiler. In any case it does not |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
63 matter any longer. Hopefully a maturing GCC 3.x will solve the issue for good. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
64 If you want to compile with 2.96 give the <CODE>--disable-gcc-checking</CODE> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
65 flag to configure. Remember that you are on your own and <B>do not report any |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
66 bugs</B>. If you do, you will only get banned from our mailing list because |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
67 we have had more than enough flame wars over GCC 2.96. Please let the matter rest.</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
68 |
6055 | 69 <P>If you have problems with GCC 2.96, you can get 2.96-85 packages from the |
70 Red Hat <A HREF="ftp://updates.redhat.com">ftp server</A>, or just go for the | |
71 3.04 packages offered for version 7.2 and later. If you do not want to or cannot | |
72 use the binary packages, here is how you can compile GCC 3.0.4 from source:</P> | |
2919 | 73 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
74 <UL> |
6055 | 75 <LI>Go to the <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html">GCC mirrors page</A> |
76 page and download <CODE>gcc-core-3.0.4.tar.gz</CODE>. This includes the | |
77 complete C compiler and is sufficient for <B>MPlayer</B>. If you also want | |
78 C++, Java or some of the other advanced GCC features | |
79 <CODE>gcc-3.0.4.tar.gz</CODE> may better suit your needs.</LI> | |
80 <LI>Extract the archive with<BR> | |
81 <CODE>tar -xvzf gcc-core-3.0.4.tar.gz</CODE></LI> | |
82 <LI>GCC is not built inside the source directory itself like most programs, | |
83 but needs a build directory outside the source directory. Thus you need to | |
84 create this directory via<BR> | |
85 <CODE>mkdir gcc-build</CODE></LI> | |
86 <LI>Then you can proceed to configure gcc in the build directory, but you need | |
87 the configure from the source directory:<BR> | |
88 <CODE>cd gcc-build<BR> | |
89 ../gcc-3.0.4/configure</CODE></LI> | |
90 <LI>Compile GCC by issuing this command in the build directory:<BR> | |
91 <CODE>make bootstrap</CODE></LI> | |
92 <LI>Now you can install GCC (as root) by typing<BR> | |
93 <CODE>make install</CODE></LI> | |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
94 </UL> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
95 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
96 <P><A NAME=binary><B>Binary distribution of MPlayer</B></A></P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
97 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
98 <P>This was the second big problem but has been solved as of version |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
99 0.90-pre1. <B>MPlayer</B> previously contained source from the OpenDivX project, |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
100 which disallows binary redistribution. This code has been removed and you are now |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
101 welcome to create binary packages as you see fit.</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
102 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
103 <P>Another impediment to binary redistribution was compiletime optimizations |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
104 for CPU architecture. <B>MPlayer</B> now supports runtime CPU detection. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
105 Although this implies a small speed sacrifice, it is now possible to create |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
106 binaries that run on different members of the Intel CPU family. For optimum |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
107 performance you may wish to disable runtime CPU detection before compilation |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
108 (<CODE>configure --disable-runtime-cpudetection</CODE>).</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
109 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
110 <P><A NAME=nvidia><B>nVidia</B></A></P> |
2867 | 111 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
112 <P>We dislike the fact that <A HREF="http://www.nvidia.com">nVidia</A> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
113 only provides binary drivers (for use with XFree86), which are often buggy. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
114 We have had many reports on |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
115 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
116 about problems related to these closed-source drivers |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
117 and their poor quality, instability and poor user and expert support. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
118 Here is an example from the |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
119 <A HREF="http://www.nvnews.net/forum/showthread.php?s=fda5725bc2151e29453b2da3bd5d2930&threadid=14306"> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
120 nVidia Linux Forum</A>. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
121 Many of these problems/issues keep appearing repeatedly. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
122 We have been contacted by nVidia lately, and they said these bugs |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
123 do not exist, instability is caused by bad AGP chips, and they received |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
124 no reports of driver bugs (like the purple line). So if you have a |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
125 problem with your nVidia card, you are advised to update the nVidia driver |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
126 and/or buy a new motherboard or ask nVidia to supply open-source drivers. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
127 In any case, if you are using the nVidia binary drivers and facing driver related problems, |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
128 please be aware that you will receive very little help from our side because we have |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
129 little power to help in this matter.</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
130 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
131 <P><A NAME=kotsog><B>Joe Barr</B></A></P> |
2867 | 132 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
133 <P>Joe Barr became infamous by writing a less than favorable |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
134 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1214.mplayer.html"> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
135 <B>MPlayer</B> review</A>. He found <B>MPlayer</B> hard to install, but then |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
136 again he is not very fond of |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
137 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-06/lw-06-exam.html">reading documentation</A>. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
138 He also concluded that the developers were unfriendly and the documentation |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
139 incomplete and insulting. You be the judge. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
140 He went on to mention <B>MPlayer</B> negatively in his |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
141 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1227.predictions.html">10 Linux predictions for 2002</A> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
142 In a followup |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
143 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0125.xine.html">review of xine</A> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
144 he continued stirring up controversy. Ironically at the end of that article he |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
145 quotes his exchange with Günter Bartsch, the original author of xine, that |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
146 perfectly summarizes the whole situation:</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
147 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
148 <BLOCKQUOTE> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
149 However, he also went on to say that he was "surprised" by my column about |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
150 Mplayer and thought it was unfair, reminding me that it is a free software |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
151 project. "If you don't like it," Bartsch said, "you're free not to use it." |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
152 </BLOCKQUOTE> |
2910 | 153 </P> |
2867 | 154 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
155 <P>He does not reply to our mails. His editor does not reply to our mails. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
156 Here are some quotes from different people about Joe Barr, so you can form your |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
157 own opinion:</P> |
4511
bca05e9c0810
gcc 3.0.3 compiling howto by Matt Willis <willis_matthew@yahoo.com>
gabucino
parents:
3997
diff
changeset
|
158 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
159 <P>Marc Rassbach has <A HREF="http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=2102">something to say</A> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
160 about the man |
4511
bca05e9c0810
gcc 3.0.3 compiling howto by Matt Willis <willis_matthew@yahoo.com>
gabucino
parents:
3997
diff
changeset
|
161 </P> |
2867 | 162 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
163 <BLOCKQUOTE> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
164 You may all remember the LinuxWorld 2000, when he claimed that Linus T said |
3936 | 165 that 'FreeBSD is just a handful of programmers'. Linus said NOTHING of the |
166 sort. When Joe was called on this, his reaction was to call BSD supporters | |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
167 assholes and jerks. |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
168 </BLOCKQUOTE> |
3936 | 169 |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
170 <P>A <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2001-December/009118.html">quote</A> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
171 from Robert Munro on the |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
172 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
173 mailinglist:</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
174 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
175 <BLOCKQUOTE> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
176 <P>He's interesting, but not good at avoiding, um... controversy. Joe Barr |
3936 | 177 used to be one of the regulars on Will Zachmann's Canopus forum on Compuserve, |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
178 years ago. He was an OS/2 advocate then (I was an OS/2 fan too).<P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
179 |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
180 <P>He used to go over-the-top, flaming people, and I suspect he had some hard |
3936 | 181 times, then. He's mellowed some, judging by his columns recently. Moderately |
6014
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
182 subtle humor was not his mode in those earlier days, not at all.</P> |
4f0b13262397
applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch
gabucino
parents:
5979
diff
changeset
|
183 </BLOCKQUOTE> |
3936 | 184 |
2867 | 185 </HTML> |