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Review Almost completely reworded, consistency and spellchecking. Removed "Compiling MPlayer" section for lack of useful information.

author	diego
date	Sat, 03 Aug 2002 01:32:14 +0000
parents	917fa27c7d32
children	f3f87f6bf5cf

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6403 c0f189e49ee4 Background color now set by CSS, added doctype and default character set, diego parents: 6393 diff changeset	1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
2867 a9a63f7e9ddc nice new docu. read it. gabucino parents: diff changeset	2 <HTML>
4982 6cb9d9a1716d HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign gabucino parents: 4511 diff changeset	3
6cb9d9a1716d HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign gabucino parents: 4511 diff changeset	4 <HEAD>
6391 4e5c236ade69 small updates gabucino parents: 6055 diff changeset	5 <LINK REL="stylesheet" TYPE="text/css" HREF="default.css">
6403 c0f189e49ee4 Background color now set by CSS, added doctype and default character set, diego parents: 6393 diff changeset	6 <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
4982 6cb9d9a1716d HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign gabucino parents: 4511 diff changeset	7 </HEAD>
6cb9d9a1716d HTML: different font handling - idea from new hp dezign gabucino parents: 4511 diff changeset	8
6403 c0f189e49ee4 Background color now set by CSS, added doctype and default character set, diego parents: 6393 diff changeset	9 <BODY>
2867 a9a63f7e9ddc nice new docu. read it. gabucino parents: diff changeset	10
a9a63f7e9ddc nice new docu. read it. gabucino parents: diff changeset	11
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	12 <P><B>In medias res</B></P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	13
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	14 <P>There are two major topics which always cause huge dispute and flame on the
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	15 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	16 mailing list. Number one is the topic of the</P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	17
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	18 <P><A NAME=gcc><B>GCC 2.96 series</B></A></P>
2867 a9a63f7e9ddc nice new docu. read it. gabucino parents: diff changeset	19
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	20 <P><B>The background:</B> The GCC <B>2.95</B> series is an official GNU release
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	21 and version 2.95.3 of GCC is the most bug-free in that series.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	22 We have never noticed compilation problems that we could trace to gcc-2.95.3.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	23 Starting with Red Hat Linux 7.0, <B>Red Hat</B> included a heavily
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	24 patched CVS version of GCC in their distribution and named it <B>2.96</B>. Red
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	25 Hat included this version in the distribution because GCC 3.0 was not finished at
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	26 the time, and they needed a compiler that worked well on all of their supported
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	27 platforms, including IA64 and s390. The Linux distributor <B>Mandrake</B>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	28 also followed Red Hat's example and started shipping GCC 2.96 with their
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	29 Linux-Mandrake 8.0 series. </P>
3053 153fc4f5464f ehh too much gabucino parents: 2934 diff changeset	30
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	31 <P><B>The statements:</B> The GCC team disclaimed any link with GCC 2.96 and issued an
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	32 <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html">official response</A> to GCC 2.96.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	33 Many developers around the world began having problems with GCC 2.96, and
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	34 started recommending other compilers. Examples are
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	35 <A HREF="http://www.apachelabs.org/apr-mbox/200106.mbox/%3c20010623194228.C25512@ebuilt.com%3e">Apache</A>,
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	36 <A HREF="http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql-3.23.html">MySQL</A>,
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	37 <A HREF="http://avifile.sourceforge.net/news-old1.htm">avifile</A> and
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	38 <A HREF="http://www.winehq.com/news/?view=92#RH 7.1 gcc fixes compiler bug">Wine</A>.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	39 Other interesting links are
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	40 <A HREF="http://www.realtimelinux.org/archives/rtai/20017/0144.html">Real time Linux</A>,
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	41 <A HREF="http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/kernel-newsflash.html">
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	42 Linux kernel news flash about kernel 2.4.17</A> and
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	43 <A HREF="http://www.voy.com/3516/572.html">Voy Forum</A>.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	44 <B>MPlayer</B> also suffered from intermittent problems that were all solved by
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	45 switching to a different version of GCC. Several projects started implementing
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	46 workarounds for some of the 2.96 issues, but we refused to fix other people's
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	47 bugs, especially since some workarounds may imply a performance penalty.</P>
2867 a9a63f7e9ddc nice new docu. read it. gabucino parents: diff changeset	48
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	49 <P>You can read about the other side of the story
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	50 <A HREF="http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html">here</A>.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	51 GCC 2.96 does not allow \| (pipe) characters in assembler comments
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	52 because it supports Intel as well as AT&T Syntax and the \| character is a
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	53 symbol in the Intel variant. The problem is that it <B>silently</B> ignores the
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	54 whole assembler block. This is supposedly fixed now, GCC prints a warning instead
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	55 of skipping the block.</P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	56
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	57 <P><B>The present:</B> Red Hat says that GCC 2.96-85 and above is fixed. The
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	58 situation has indeed improved, yet we still see problem reports on our
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	59 mailing lists that disappear with a different compiler. In any case it does not
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	60 matter any longer. Hopefully a maturing GCC 3.x will solve the issue for good.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	61 If you want to compile with 2.96 give the <CODE>--disable-gcc-checking</CODE>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	62 flag to configure. Remember that you are on your own and <B>do not report any
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	63 bugs</B>. If you do, you will only get banned from our mailing list because
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	64 we have had more than enough flame wars over GCC 2.96. Please let the matter rest.</P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	65
6055 3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	66 <P>If you have problems with GCC 2.96, you can get 2.96-85 packages from the
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	67 Red Hat <A HREF="ftp://updates.redhat.com">ftp server</A>, or just go for the
6574 22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	68 3.0.4 packages offered for version 7.2 and later. You can also get gcc-3.1
22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	69 packages (unofficial, but working fine)
22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	70 <A HREF="ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/gcc3/3.1-1/">here</A> and you can
22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	71 install them along the gcc-2.96 you already have. MPlayer will detect it and
22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	72 use 3.1 instead of 2.96. If you do not want to or cannot use the binary
22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	73 packages, here is how you can compile GCC 3.1 from source:</P>
2919 40254e0cba96 more flame gabucino parents: 2910 diff changeset	74
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	75 <UL>
6055 3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	76 <LI>Go to the <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html">GCC mirrors page</A>
6574 22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	77 page and download <CODE>gcc-core-3.1.tar.gz</CODE>. This includes the
6055 3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	78 complete C compiler and is sufficient for <B>MPlayer</B>. If you also want
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	79 C++, Java or some of the other advanced GCC features
6574 22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	80 <CODE>gcc-3.1.tar.gz</CODE> may better suit your needs.</LI>
6055 3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	81 <LI>Extract the archive with<BR>
6574 22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	82 <CODE>tar -xvzf gcc-core-3.1.tar.gz</CODE></LI>
6055 3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	83 <LI>GCC is not built inside the source directory itself like most programs,
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	84 but needs a build directory outside the source directory. Thus you need to
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	85 create this directory via<BR>
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	86 <CODE>mkdir gcc-build</CODE></LI>
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	87 <LI>Then you can proceed to configure gcc in the build directory, but you need
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	88 the configure from the source directory:<BR>
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	89 <CODE>cd gcc-build<BR>
6574 22def385928d GCC 3.0.4-RH update diego parents: 6403 diff changeset	90 ../gcc-3.1/configure</CODE></LI>
6055 3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	91 <LI>Compile GCC by issuing this command in the build directory:<BR>
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	92 <CODE>make bootstrap</CODE></LI>
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	93 <LI>Now you can install GCC (as root) by typing<BR>
3ca1f8cf7bfc various updates by Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> arpi parents: 6014 diff changeset	94 <CODE>make install</CODE></LI>
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	95 </UL>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	96
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	97 <P><A NAME=binary><B>Binary distribution of MPlayer</B></A></P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	98
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	99 <P>This was the second big problem but has been solved as of version
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	100 0.90-pre1. <B>MPlayer</B> previously contained source from the OpenDivX project,
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	101 which disallows binary redistribution. This code has been removed and you are now
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	102 welcome to create binary packages as you see fit.</P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	103
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	104 <P>Another impediment to binary redistribution was compiletime optimizations
6583 4b7d097a9c69 big update gabucino parents: 6574 diff changeset	105 for CPU architecture. <B>MPlayer</B> now supports runtime CPU detection
4b7d097a9c69 big update gabucino parents: 6574 diff changeset	106 (specify the <CODE>--enable-runtime-cpudetection</CODE> option when
4b7d097a9c69 big update gabucino parents: 6574 diff changeset	107 compiling). It is disabled by default because it implies a small speed
4b7d097a9c69 big update gabucino parents: 6574 diff changeset	108 sacrifice, it is now possible to create binaries that run on different
4b7d097a9c69 big update gabucino parents: 6574 diff changeset	109 members of the Intel CPU family.</P>
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	110
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	111 <P><A NAME=nvidia><B>nVidia</B></A></P>
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6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	113 <P>We dislike the fact that <A HREF="http://www.nvidia.com">nVidia</A>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	114 only provides binary drivers (for use with XFree86), which are often buggy.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	115 We have had many reports on
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	116 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	117 about problems related to these closed-source drivers
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	118 and their poor quality, instability and poor user and expert support.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	119 Here is an example from the
6403 c0f189e49ee4 Background color now set by CSS, added doctype and default character set, diego parents: 6393 diff changeset	120 <A HREF="http://www.nvnews.net/forum/showthread.php?s=fda5725bc2151e29453b2da3bd5d2930&threadid=14306">
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	121 nVidia Linux Forum</A>.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	122 Many of these problems/issues keep appearing repeatedly.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	123 We have been contacted by nVidia lately, and they said these bugs
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	124 do not exist, instability is caused by bad AGP chips, and they received
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	125 no reports of driver bugs (like the purple line). So if you have a
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	126 problem with your nVidia card, you are advised to update the nVidia driver
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	127 and/or buy a new motherboard or ask nVidia to supply open-source drivers.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	128 In any case, if you are using the nVidia binary drivers and facing driver related problems,
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	129 please be aware that you will receive very little help from our side because we have
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	130 little power to help in this matter.</P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	131
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	132 <P><A NAME=kotsog><B>Joe Barr</B></A></P>
2867 a9a63f7e9ddc nice new docu. read it. gabucino parents: diff changeset	133
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	134 <P>Joe Barr became infamous by writing a less than favorable
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	135 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1214.mplayer.html">
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	136 <B>MPlayer</B> review</A>. He found <B>MPlayer</B> hard to install, but then
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	137 again he is not very fond of
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	138 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-06/lw-06-exam.html">reading documentation</A>.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	139 He also concluded that the developers were unfriendly and the documentation
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	140 incomplete and insulting. You be the judge.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	141 He went on to mention <B>MPlayer</B> negatively in his
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	142 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1227.predictions.html">10 Linux predictions for 2002</A>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	143 In a followup
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	144 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0125.xine.html">review of xine</A>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	145 he continued stirring up controversy. Ironically at the end of that article he
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	146 quotes his exchange with G�nter Bartsch, the original author of xine, that
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	147 perfectly summarizes the whole situation:</P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	148
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	149 <BLOCKQUOTE>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	150 However, he also went on to say that he was "surprised" by my column about
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	151 Mplayer and thought it was unfair, reminding me that it is a free software
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	152 project. "If you don't like it," Bartsch said, "you're free not to use it."
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	153 </BLOCKQUOTE>
2867 a9a63f7e9ddc nice new docu. read it. gabucino parents: diff changeset	154
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	155 <P>He does not reply to our mails. His editor does not reply to our mails.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	156 Here are some quotes from different people about Joe Barr, so you can form your
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	157 own opinion:</P>
4511 bca05e9c0810 gcc 3.0.3 compiling howto by Matt Willis <willis_matthew@yahoo.com> gabucino parents: 3997 diff changeset	158
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	159 <P>Marc Rassbach has <A HREF="http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=2102">something to say</A>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	160 about the man
4511 bca05e9c0810 gcc 3.0.3 compiling howto by Matt Willis <willis_matthew@yahoo.com> gabucino parents: 3997 diff changeset	161 </P>
2867 a9a63f7e9ddc nice new docu. read it. gabucino parents: diff changeset	162
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	163 <BLOCKQUOTE>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	164 You may all remember the LinuxWorld 2000, when he claimed that Linus T said
3936 f0962aeffc41 nvidia & joebarr entry gabucino parents: 3053 diff changeset	165 that 'FreeBSD is just a handful of programmers'. Linus said NOTHING of the
f0962aeffc41 nvidia & joebarr entry gabucino parents: 3053 diff changeset	166 sort. When Joe was called on this, his reaction was to call BSD supporters
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	167 assholes and jerks.
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	168 </BLOCKQUOTE>
3936 f0962aeffc41 nvidia & joebarr entry gabucino parents: 3053 diff changeset	169
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	170 <P>A <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2001-December/009118.html">quote</A>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	171 from Robert Munro on the
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	172 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A>
6403 c0f189e49ee4 Background color now set by CSS, added doctype and default character set, diego parents: 6393 diff changeset	173 mailing list:</P>
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	174
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	175 <BLOCKQUOTE>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	176 <P>He's interesting, but not good at avoiding, um... controversy. Joe Barr
3936 f0962aeffc41 nvidia & joebarr entry gabucino parents: 3053 diff changeset	177 used to be one of the regulars on Will Zachmann's Canopus forum on Compuserve,
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	178 years ago. He was an OS/2 advocate then (I was an OS/2 fan too).<P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	179
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	180 <P>He used to go over-the-top, flaming people, and I suspect he had some hard
3936 f0962aeffc41 nvidia & joebarr entry gabucino parents: 3053 diff changeset	181 times, then. He's mellowed some, judging by his columns recently. Moderately
6014 4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	182 subtle humor was not his mode in those earlier days, not at all.</P>
4f0b13262397 applied Nilmoni Debian's (and Diego Burrick) patch gabucino parents: 5979 diff changeset	183 </BLOCKQUOTE>
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