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5 <TITLE>Developer Cries - MPlayer - The Movie Player for Linux</TITLE>
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6 <LINK REL="stylesheet" TYPE="text/css" HREF="default.css">
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13 <H1>Appendix E - Developer Cries</H1>
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15 <P>There are two major topics which always cause huge dispute and flame on the
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16 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A>
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17 mailing list. Number one is the topic of the</P>
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20 <H2><A NAME="gcc">GCC 2.96</A></H2>
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22 <P><B>The background:</B> The GCC <B>2.95</B> series is an official GNU release
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23 and version 2.95.3 of GCC is the most bug-free in that series.
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24 We have never noticed compilation problems that we could trace to GCC 2.95.3.
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25 Starting with Red Hat Linux 7.0, <B>Red Hat</B> included a heavily
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26 patched CVS version of GCC in their distribution and named it <B>2.96</B>. Red
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27 Hat included this version in the distribution because GCC 3.0 was not finished
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28 at the time, and they needed a compiler that worked well on all of their
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29 supported platforms, including IA64 and s390. The Linux distributor
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30 <B>Mandrake</B> also followed Red Hat's example and started shipping GCC 2.96
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31 with their Linux-Mandrake 8.0 series.</P>
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33 <P><B>The statements:</B> The GCC team disclaimed any link with GCC 2.96 and
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34 issued an <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html">official response</A> to
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35 GCC 2.96. Many developers around the world began having problems with GCC 2.96,
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36 and started recommending other compilers. Examples are
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39 <A HREF="http://avifile.sourceforge.net/news-old1.htm">avifile</A> and
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40 <A HREF="http://www.winehq.com/news/?view=92#RH%207.1%20gcc%20fixes%20compiler%20bug">Wine</A>.
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41 Other interesting links are
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42 <A HREF="http://www.realtimelinux.org/archives/rtai/20017/0144.html">Real time Linux</A>,
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43 <A HREF="http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/kernel-newsflash.html">
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44 Linux kernel news flash about kernel 2.4.17</A> and
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45 <A HREF="http://www.voy.com/3516/572.html">Voy Forum</A>.
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46 MPlayer also suffered from intermittent problems that were all solved by
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47 switching to a different version of GCC. Several projects started implementing
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48 workarounds for some of the 2.96 issues, but we refused to fix other people's
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49 bugs, especially since some workarounds may imply a performance penalty.</P>
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51 <P>You can read about the other side of the story
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52 <A HREF="http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html">at this site</A>.
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53 GCC 2.96 does not allow | (pipe) characters in assembler comments
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54 because it supports Intel as well as AT&amp;T Syntax and the | character is a
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55 symbol in the Intel variant. The problem is that it <B>silently</B> ignores the
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56 whole assembler block. This is supposedly fixed now, GCC prints a warning instead
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57 of skipping the block.</P>
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59 <P><B>The present:</B> Red Hat says that GCC 2.96-85 and above is fixed. The
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60 situation has indeed improved, yet we still see problem reports on our
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61 mailing lists that disappear with a different compiler. In any case it does not
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62 matter any longer. Hopefully a maturing GCC 3.x will solve the issue for good.
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63 If you want to compile with 2.96 give the <CODE>--disable-gcc-checking</CODE>
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64 flag to configure. Remember that you are on your own and <B>do not report any
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65 bugs</B>. If you do, you will only get banned from our mailing list because
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66 we have had more than enough flame wars over GCC 2.96. Please let the matter rest.</P>
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68 <P>If you have problems with GCC 2.96, you can get 2.96-85 packages from the
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69 Red Hat <A HREF="ftp://updates.redhat.com">ftp server</A>, or just go for the
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70 3.0.4 packages offered for version 7.2 and later. You can also get
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71 <A HREF="ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/gcc3/3.1-1/">gcc-3.1 packages</A>
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72 (unofficial, but working fine) and you can
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73 install them along the GCC 2.96 you already have. MPlayer will detect it and
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74 use 3.1 instead of 2.96. If you do not want to or cannot use the binary
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75 packages, here is how you can compile GCC 3.1 from source:</P>
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77 <OL>
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78 <LI>Go to the <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html">GCC mirrors page</A>
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79 page and download <CODE>gcc-core-3.1.tar.gz</CODE>. This includes the
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80 complete C compiler and is sufficient for MPlayer. If you also want
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81 C++, Java or some of the other advanced GCC features
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82 <CODE>gcc-3.1.tar.gz</CODE> may better suit your needs.</LI>
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83 <LI>Extract the archive with<BR>
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84 <CODE>tar -xvzf gcc-core-3.1.tar.gz</CODE></LI>
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85 <LI>GCC is not built inside the source directory itself like most programs,
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86 but needs a build directory outside the source directory. Thus you need to
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87 create this directory via<BR>
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88 <CODE>mkdir gcc-build</CODE></LI>
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89 <LI>Then you can proceed to configure GCC in the build directory, but you need
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90 the configure from the source directory:<BR>
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91 <CODE>cd gcc-build<BR>
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92 ../gcc-3.1/configure</CODE></LI>
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93 <LI>Compile GCC by issuing this command in the build directory:<BR>
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94 <CODE>make bootstrap</CODE></LI>
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95 <LI>Now you can install GCC (as root) by typing<BR>
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96 <CODE>make install</CODE></LI>
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97 </OL>
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100 <H2><A NAME="binary">Binary distribution</A></H2>
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102 <P>This was the second big problem but has been solved as of version
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103 0.90-pre1. MPlayer previously contained source from the OpenDivX project,
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104 which disallows binary redistribution. This code has been removed and you are now
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107 <P>Another impediment to binary redistribution was compiletime optimizations
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108 for CPU architecture. MPlayer now supports runtime CPU detection
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109 (specify the <CODE>--enable-runtime-cpudetection</CODE> option when
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110 compiling). It is disabled by default because it implies a small speed
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111 sacrifice, it is now possible to create binaries that run on different
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112 members of the Intel CPU family.</P>
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115 <H2><A NAME="nvidia">nVidia</A></H2>
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117 <P>We dislike the fact that <A HREF="http://www.nvidia.com">nVidia</A>
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118 only provides binary drivers (for use with XFree86), which are often buggy.
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119 We have had many reports on
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120 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A>
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121 about problems related to these closed-source drivers
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122 and their poor quality, instability and poor user and expert support.
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123 Here is an example from the
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124 <A HREF="http://www.nvnews.net/forum/showthread.php?s=fda5725bc2151e29453b2da3bd5d2930&amp;threadid=14306">
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125 nVidia Linux Forum</A>.
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126 Many of these problems/issues keep appearing repeatedly.
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127 We have been contacted by nVidia lately, and they said these bugs
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128 do not exist, instability is caused by bad AGP chips, and they received
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129 no reports of driver bugs (like the purple line). So if you have a
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130 problem with your nVidia card, you are advised to update the nVidia driver
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131 and/or buy a new motherboard or ask nVidia to supply open-source drivers.
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132 In any case, if you are using the nVidia binary drivers and facing driver related problems,
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133 please be aware that you will receive very little help from our side because we have
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134 little power to help in this matter.</P>
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137 <H2><A NAME="barr">Joe Barr</A></H2>
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139 <P>Joe Barr became infamous by writing a less than favorable
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140 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1214.mplayer.html">
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141 MPlayer review</A>. He found MPlayer hard to install, but then
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142 again he is not very fond of
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143 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-06/lw-06-exam.html">reading documentation</A>.
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144 He also concluded that the developers were unfriendly and the documentation
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145 incomplete and insulting. You be the judge.
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146 He went on to mention MPlayer negatively in his
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147 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1227.predictions.html">10 Linux predictions for 2002</A>
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148 In a followup
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149 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0125.xine.html">review of xine</A>
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150 he continued stirring up controversy. Ironically at the end of that article he
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151 quotes his exchange with Günter Bartsch, the original author of xine, that
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152 perfectly summarizes the whole situation:</P>
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153
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154 <BLOCKQUOTE>
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155 However, he also went on to say that he was "surprised" by my column about
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156 MPlayer and thought it was unfair, reminding me that it is a free software
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157 project. "If you don't like it," Bartsch said, "you're free not to use it."
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158 </BLOCKQUOTE>
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159
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160 <P>He does not reply to our mails. His editor does not reply to our mails.
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161 Here are some quotes from different people about Joe Barr, so you can form your
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162 own opinion:</P>
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163
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164 <P>Marc Rassbach has <A HREF="http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=2102">something to say</A>
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165 about the man.</P>
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167 <BLOCKQUOTE>
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168 You may all remember the LinuxWorld 2000, when he claimed that Linus T said
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169 that 'FreeBSD is just a handful of programmers'. Linus said NOTHING of the
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170 sort. When Joe was called on this, his reaction was to call BSD supporters
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171 assholes and jerks.
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172 </BLOCKQUOTE>
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173
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174 <P>A <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2001-December/009118.html">quote</A>
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175 from Robert Munro on the
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176 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A>
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177 mailing list:</P>
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179 <BLOCKQUOTE>
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180 <P>He's interesting, but not good at avoiding, um... controversy. Joe Barr
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181 used to be one of the regulars on Will Zachmann's Canopus forum on Compuserve,
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182 years ago. He was an OS/2 advocate then (I was an OS/2 fan too).</P>
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183
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184 <P>He used to go over-the-top, flaming people, and I suspect he had some hard
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185 times, then. He's mellowed some, judging by his columns recently. Moderately
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186 subtle humor was not his mode in those earlier days, not at all.</P>
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187 </BLOCKQUOTE>
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188
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189 </BODY>
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190 </HTML>