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13 <H1><A NAME="appendix_e">Appendix E - Developer Cries</A></H1> |
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15 <P>There are two major topics which always cause huge dispute and flame on the |
| 6974 | 16 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> |
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20 <H2><A NAME="gcc">E.1 GCC 2.96</A></H2> |
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22 <P><B>The background:</B> The GCC <B>2.95</B> series is an official GNU release |
| 6974 | 23 and version 2.95.3 of GCC is the most bug-free in that series. |
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24 We have never noticed compilation problems that we could trace to GCC 2.95.3. |
| 6974 | 25 Starting with Red Hat Linux 7.0, <B>Red Hat</B> included a heavily |
| 26 patched CVS version of GCC in their distribution and named it <B>2.96</B>. Red | |
| 27 Hat included this version in the distribution because GCC 3.0 was not finished | |
| 28 at the time, and they needed a compiler that worked well on all of their | |
| 29 supported platforms, including IA64 and s390. The Linux distributor | |
| 30 <B>Mandrake</B> also followed Red Hat's example and started shipping GCC 2.96 | |
| 31 with their Linux-Mandrake 8.0 series.</P> | |
| 3053 | 32 |
| 6974 | 33 <P><B>The statements:</B> The GCC team disclaimed any link with GCC 2.96 and |
| 34 issued an <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html">official response</A> to | |
| 35 GCC 2.96. Many developers around the world began having problems with GCC 2.96, | |
| 36 and started recommending other compilers. Examples are | |
| 37 <A HREF="http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql-3.23.html">MySQL</A>, | |
| 38 <A HREF="http://avifile.sourceforge.net/news-old1.htm">avifile</A> and | |
| 6981 | 39 <A HREF="http://www.winehq.com/news/?view=92#RH%207.1%20gcc%20fixes%20compiler%20bug">Wine</A>. |
| 6974 | 40 Other interesting links are |
| 41 <A HREF="http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/kernel-newsflash.html"> | |
| 42 Linux kernel news flash about kernel 2.4.17</A> and | |
| 43 <A HREF="http://www.voy.com/3516/572.html">Voy Forum</A>. | |
| 7814 | 44 MPlayer also suffered from intermittent problems that were all solved by |
| 6974 | 45 switching to a different version of GCC. Several projects started implementing |
| 46 workarounds for some of the 2.96 issues, but we refused to fix other people's | |
| 47 bugs, especially since some workarounds may imply a performance penalty.</P> | |
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50 <A HREF="http://web.archive.org/web/20011024212120/http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html">at this site</A>. |
| 6974 | 51 GCC 2.96 does not allow | (pipe) characters in assembler comments |
| 52 because it supports Intel as well as AT&T Syntax and the | character is a | |
| 53 symbol in the Intel variant. The problem is that it <B>silently</B> ignores the | |
| 54 whole assembler block. This is supposedly fixed now, GCC prints a warning instead | |
| 55 of skipping the block.</P> | |
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57 <P><B>The present:</B> Red Hat says that GCC 2.96-85 and above is fixed. The |
| 6974 | 58 situation has indeed improved, yet we still see problem reports on our |
| 59 mailing lists that disappear with a different compiler. In any case it does not | |
| 60 matter any longer. Hopefully a maturing GCC 3.x will solve the issue for good. | |
| 61 If you want to compile with 2.96 give the <CODE>--disable-gcc-checking</CODE> | |
| 62 flag to configure. Remember that you are on your own and <B>do not report any | |
| 63 bugs</B>. If you do, you will only get banned from our mailing list because | |
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| 6055 | 67 <P>If you have problems with GCC 2.96, you can get 2.96-85 packages from the |
| 6974 | 68 Red Hat <A HREF="ftp://updates.redhat.com">ftp server</A>, or just go for the |
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| 6055 | 77 <LI>Go to the <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html">GCC mirrors page</A> |
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| 6055 | 82 <LI>Extract the archive with<BR> |
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| 6055 | 84 <LI>GCC is not built inside the source directory itself like most programs, |
| 85 but needs a build directory outside the source directory. Thus you need to | |
| 86 create this directory via<BR> | |
| 87 <CODE>mkdir gcc-build</CODE></LI> | |
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| 6055 | 89 the configure from the source directory:<BR> |
| 90 <CODE>cd gcc-build<BR> | |
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| 6055 | 92 <LI>Compile GCC by issuing this command in the build directory:<BR> |
| 93 <CODE>make bootstrap</CODE></LI> | |
| 94 <LI>Now you can install GCC (as root) by typing<BR> | |
| 95 <CODE>make install</CODE></LI> | |
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| 8134 | 101 <P>MPlayer previously contained source from the OpenDivX project, which |
| 102 disallows binary redistribution. This code has been removed in version | |
| 103 0.90-pre1 and the remaining file <CODE>divx_vbr.c</CODE> that is derived | |
| 104 from OpenDivX sources has been put under the GPL by its authors as of version | |
| 105 0.90pre9. You are now welcome to create binary packages as you see fit.</P> | |
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| 8134 | 107 <P>Another impediment to binary redistribution were compiletime optimizations |
| 108 for CPU architecture. MPlayer now supports runtime CPU detection (specify | |
| 109 the <CODE>--enable-runtime-cpudetection</CODE> option when configuring). It | |
| 110 is disabled by default because it implies a small speed sacrifice, but it is | |
| 111 now possible to create binaries that run on different members of the Intel | |
| 112 CPU family.</P> | |
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| 6974 | 118 only provides binary drivers (for use with XFree86), which are often buggy. |
| 119 We have had many reports on | |
| 120 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> | |
| 121 about problems related to these closed-source drivers | |
| 122 and their poor quality, instability and poor user and expert support. | |
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| 8759 | 124 <A HREF="http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=6d83dc289805c37caef49b77857a0b7e&daysprune=&forumid=27"> |
| 6974 | 125 nVidia Linux Forum</A>. |
| 126 Many of these problems/issues keep appearing repeatedly. | |
| 127 We have been contacted by nVidia lately, and they said these bugs | |
| 128 do not exist, instability is caused by bad AGP chips, and they received | |
| 129 no reports of driver bugs (like the purple line). So if you have a | |
| 130 problem with your nVidia card, you are advised to update the nVidia driver | |
| 131 and/or buy a new motherboard or ask nVidia to supply open-source drivers. | |
| 132 In any case, if you are using the nVidia binary drivers and facing driver related problems, | |
| 133 please be aware that you will receive very little help from our side because we have | |
| 134 little power to help in this matter.</P> | |
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137 <H2><A NAME="barr">E.4 Joe Barr</A></H2> |
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139 <P>Joe Barr became infamous by writing a less than favorable |
| 6974 | 140 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1214.mplayer.html"> |
| 7814 | 141 MPlayer review</A>. He found MPlayer hard to install, but then |
| 6974 | 142 again he is not very fond of |
| 143 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-06/lw-06-exam.html">reading documentation</A>. | |
| 144 He also concluded that the developers were unfriendly and the documentation | |
| 145 incomplete and insulting. You be the judge. | |
| 7814 | 146 He went on to mention MPlayer negatively in his |
| 6974 | 147 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1227.predictions.html">10 Linux predictions for 2002</A> |
| 148 In a followup | |
| 149 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0125.xine.html">review of xine</A> | |
| 150 he continued stirring up controversy. Ironically at the end of that article he | |
| 151 quotes his exchange with Günter Bartsch, the original author of xine, that | |
| 152 perfectly summarizes the whole situation:</P> | |
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| 6974 | 155 However, he also went on to say that he was "surprised" by my column about |
| 7814 | 156 MPlayer and thought it was unfair, reminding me that it is a free software |
| 6974 | 157 project. "If you don't like it," Bartsch said, "you're free not to use it." |
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| 6974 | 161 Here are some quotes from different people about Joe Barr, so you can form your |
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| 6974 | 165 about the man.</P> |
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| 6974 | 168 You may all remember the LinuxWorld 2000, when he claimed that Linus T said |
| 169 that 'FreeBSD is just a handful of programmers'. Linus said NOTHING of the | |
| 170 sort. When Joe was called on this, his reaction was to call BSD supporters | |
| 171 assholes and jerks. | |
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| 6974 | 175 from Robert Munro on the |
| 176 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> | |
| 177 mailing list:</P> | |
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| 6974 | 180 <P>He's interesting, but not good at avoiding, um... controversy. Joe Barr |
| 181 used to be one of the regulars on Will Zachmann's Canopus forum on Compuserve, | |
| 6981 | 182 years ago. He was an OS/2 advocate then (I was an OS/2 fan too).</P> |
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| 6974 | 184 <P>He used to go over-the-top, flaming people, and I suspect he had some hard |
| 185 times, then. He's mellowed some, judging by his columns recently. Moderately | |
| 186 subtle humor was not his mode in those earlier days, not at all.</P> | |
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| 7047 | 189 </BODY> |
| 2867 | 190 </HTML> |