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6 <P><B><I>In medias res</I></B></P>
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8 <P>There are two major topic which always causes huge dispute and flame on the
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9 <A HREF="http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/cgi-bin/htsearch">mplayer-users</A>
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10 mailing list. Number one is of course the topic of the</P>
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12 <A NAME=gcc><P><B><I>GCC 2.96 series</I></B></P>
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14 <P><B>Also read <A HREF="gcc-2.96-3.0.html">this</A> text !!!</B></P>
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16 <P>The <I>background</I> : there were/are the GCC <B>2.95</B> series. The
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17 best of them was 2.95.3 . Please note the style of the version numbering.
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18 This is how the GCC team numbers their compilers. The 2.95 series are good.
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19 We never ever saw anything that was miscompiled because of the 2.95's faultiness.</P>
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21 <P>The <I>action</I> : <B>RedHat</B> started to include a GCC version of <B>2.96</B>
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22 with their distributions. Note the version numbering. This should be the GCC
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23 team's versioning. They patched the CVS version of GCC (something between 2.95 and 3.0)
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24 They patched it very deep, and used this version in the distrib because 3.0
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25 wasn't out at time, and they wanted IA64 support ASAP (business reasons).
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26 Oh, and GCC 2.95 miscompiles bash on the s390 architecture (there is
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27 no RedHat distribution for s390..) .</P>
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29 <P>The <I>facts</I> : <B>MPlayer</B>'s compile process needs the
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30 <CODE>--disable-gcc-checking</CODE> to proceed upon detecting a GCC version of
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31 2.96 (apparently it needs this option on <B>egcs</B> too. It's because we don't
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32 test <B>MPlayer</B> on egcs. Pardon us, but we rather develop <B>MPlayer</B>).
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33 If you know <B>MPlayer</B>, you should know that it has great speed. It
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34 achieves this by having overoptimized MMX/SSE/3DNow/etc codes, fastmemcpy, and
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35 lots of other features. <B>MPlayer</B> contained MMX/3DNow instructions in a
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36 syntax that all Linux compilers accept it... except RedHat's GCC (it's more
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37 standard compliant). It simply <B><I>skips</I></B> them. It doesn't give
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38 errors. It doesn't give warnings. <B>And</B>, there is Lame. With gcc 2.96, its quality check
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39 (<CODE>make test</CODE> after compiling) <I>doesn't even run !!!</I>
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40 But hey, it compiles bash on s390 and IA64.</P>
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42 <P>The <I>statements</I> : most developers around the world begun having
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43 bad feelings about RedHat's GCC 2.96 , and told their RedHat users to
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44 compile with other compiler than 2.96 . RedHat users' disappointment slowly
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45 went into anger. What was all good
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46 for, apart from giving headaches to developers, putting oil on anti-RedHat
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47 flame, confusing users? The answer, I do not know.</P>
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48
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49 <P><I>Present age, present time</I> : RedHat says that GCC 2.96-85 and above
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50 is fixed, and works properly. Note the versioning. They should have started
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51 with something like this. What about GCC 2.96.85 ? It doesn't matter now.
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52 I don't search, but I still see bugs with 2.96 . It doesn't matter now,
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53 hopefully now <B>RedHat will forget about 2.96</B> and turn towards <B>3.0</B>.
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54 Towards a deep patched 3.0...
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55 </P>
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57 <P><I>What I don't understand</I> is why are we hated by RedHat users for
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58 putting warning messages, and stay-away documents in <B>MPlayer</B> .
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59 Why are we called "brain damaged", "total asshole", "childish" by
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60 <B>RedHat users</B>, on our mailing list, and even on the <B>redhat-devel</B> .
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61 They even considered forking <B>MPlayer</B> for themselves. RedHat users.
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62 Why? It's RedHat that made the compiler, why do <U>you</U> have to hate us?
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63 Are you <U>that</U> fellow RedHat worshippers? Please stop it. We don't hold
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64 a grudge against users, doesn't matter how loud you advertise its contrary.
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65 Please go flame Linus Torvalds, the DRI developers (oh, now I know why
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66 there were laid off by VA!), the Wine, avifile. Even if we are arrogant,
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67 are we not the same as the previously listed ones? Why do <B>we</B> have
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68 to suffer from your unrightful wrath?</P>
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70 <P>I'm closing this topic. Think over it please. I (Gabucino) personally begun
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71 with <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com">RedHat</A>, then used Mandrake (sorry I
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72 don't know their URL), now I have <A
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73 HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.com">LFS</A>. Never held a grudge against
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74 RedHat or RedHat users, and I still don't. Hate is only comfortable. It
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75 won't bring you anywhere.</P>
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79 <P>Tons of users asked us about this. For example Debian users tend to say: Oh,
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80 I can <CODE>apt-get install avifile</CODE>, why should I <B>compile MPlayer</B> ?
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81 While this may sound reasonable, the problem lies a bit deeper than
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82 those-fuckin-MPlayer-developers-hate-gcc-2.96-and-RedHat-and-Debian.</P>
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84 <P>Reasons: <B>Law</B></P>
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86 <P><B>MPlayer</B> describes the <U>sourcecode</U>. It contains several files with incompatible
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87 licenses especially on the redistribution clauses. As source files, they are
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88 allowed to coexist in a same project.</P>
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90 <P>Therefore, <U>NEITHER BINARIES NOR BINARY PACKAGES OF <B>MPlayer</B> ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST SINCE
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91 SUCH OBJECTS BREAK LICENSES</U>. PEOPLE WHO DISTRIBUTE SUCH BINARY PACKAGES ARE
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92 DOING ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.</P>
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94 <P>So if you know somebody who maintains a binary package then forward her/him
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95 this text and (ask him to) contact us. What (s)he is doing is illegal and IT IS
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96 NO LONGER <B>MPlayer</B>, but <U>his/her</U> mplayer. If it breaks, it is
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97 his/her fault. Don't come and cry on the <B>MPlayer</B> mailing lists, you will
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98 most likely be blacklisted.</P>
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100 <P>For example that french guy called <B>Christian Marillat</B> who denied our
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101 request, and is still distributing binary Debian packages of <B>MPlayer</B>,
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102 despite the fact that there was at least one user who downloaded it and failed
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103 (of course compiling from source helped him). And there is <B>Guillaume
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104 Rousse</B>, who is doing the same, but making RPMs for Mandrake. Do not support
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105 criminals!</P>
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107 <P>Reasons: <B>Technical</B></P>
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111 <LI><B>MPlayer's</B> speed (MMX, SSE, fastmemcpy, etc) optimizations are
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112 determined during compilation. Thus a compiled binary contains very
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113 processor-specific code. An <B>MPlayer</B> binary compiled for K6 will die
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114 on Pentiums and vice versa. This has to be workarounded by runtime
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115 detection, which is not an easy thing to do becase it causes massive speed
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116 decrease. If you don't believe (it was explained in details 10000 times on
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117 mplayer-users, search the archive), solve it and send us a patch. Someone
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118 begun work on it, but disappeared since then.</LI>
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119 <LI><B>MPlayer's</B> video/audio system is not plugin based. It is compiled
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120 into the binary, thus making the binary depend on various libraries (the
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121 GUI depends on GTK, DivX4 depends on libdivxdecore, SDL depends on libSDL,
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122 every SDL release contains an unique bug that has to be workarounded during
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123 compiletime, X11 output compiles differently for X3 and X4, etc). You may
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124 say: yes, let's make 30 versions of downloadable binaries! We won't. We
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125 will make these stuff pluggable in the future.</LI>
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130 <P>We don't like nvidia's binary drives, their quality, unstability,
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131 non-existant user support, always appearing new bugs. And most users behave
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132 the same. We've been contacted by NVidia lately, and they said these bugs
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133 don't exist, unstability is caused by bad AGP chips, and they received
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134 no reports of driver bugs (the purple line, for example). So: if you have
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135 problem with your NVidia, update the nvidia driver and/or buy a new
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136 motherboard.</P>
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138 <A NAME=kotsog><P><B><I>Joe Barr</I></B></P>
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140 <P>He doesn't reply to our mails. His editor doesn't reply to our mails.
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141 The net is full with his false statements and accusitions (he apparently
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142 doesn't like for example the BSD guys, because of their different viewpoints
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143 [about what?]).</P>
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145 <P>Now some quotes from different people about Joe Barr (just for you
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146 understand why doesn't he matter at all):</P>
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148 <P><I>"You may all remember the LinuxWorld 2000, when he claimed that Linus T said
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149 that 'FreeBSD is just a handful of programmers'. Linus said NOTHING of the
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150 sort. When Joe was called on this, his reaction was to call BSD supporters
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151 assholes and jerks."</I></P>
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153 <P><I>"He's interesting, but not good at avoiding, um... controversy. Joe Barr
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154 used to be one of the regulars on Will Zachmann's Canopus forum on Compuserve,
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155 years ago. He was an OS/2 advocate then (I was an OS/2 fan too).
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156 He used to go over-the-top, flaming people, and I suspect he had some hard
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157 times, then. He's mellowed some, judging by his columns recently. Moderately
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158 subtle humor was not his mode in those earlier days, not at all."</I></P>
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