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13 <P><B>In medias res</B></P> |
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15 <P>There are two major topics which always cause huge dispute and flame on the |
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16 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> |
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17 mailing list. Number one is the topic of the</P> |
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19 <P><A NAME=gcc><B>GCC 2.96 series</B></A></P> |
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21 <P><B>The background:</B> The GCC <B>2.95</B> series is an official GNU release |
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22 and version 2.95.3 of GCC is the most bug-free in that series. |
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23 We have never noticed compilation problems that we could trace to gcc-2.95.3. |
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24 Starting with Red Hat Linux 7.0, <B>Red Hat</B> included a heavily |
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25 patched CVS version of GCC in their distribution and named it <B>2.96</B>. Red |
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26 Hat included this version in the distribution because GCC 3.0 was not finished at |
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27 the time, and they needed a compiler that worked well on all of their supported |
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28 platforms, including IA64 and s390. The Linux distributor <B>Mandrake</B> |
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29 also followed Red Hat's example and started shipping GCC 2.96 with their |
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30 Linux-Mandrake 8.0 series. </P> |
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32 <P><B>The statements:</B> The GCC team disclaimed any link with GCC 2.96 and issued an |
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33 <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html">official response</A> to GCC 2.96. |
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34 Many developers around the world began having problems with GCC 2.96, and |
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35 started recommending other compilers. Examples are |
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36 <A HREF="http://www.apachelabs.org/apr-mbox/200106.mbox/%3c20010623194228.C25512@ebuilt.com%3e">Apache</A>, |
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37 <A HREF="http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql-3.23.html">MySQL</A>, |
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38 <A HREF="http://avifile.sourceforge.net/news-old1.htm">avifile</A> and |
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39 <A HREF="http://www.winehq.com/news/?view=92#RH 7.1 gcc fixes compiler bug">Wine</A>. |
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41 <A HREF="http://www.realtimelinux.org/archives/rtai/20017/0144.html">Real time Linux</A>, |
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42 <A HREF="http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/kernel-newsflash.html"> |
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43 Linux kernel news flash about kernel 2.4.17</A> and |
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44 <A HREF="http://www.voy.com/3516/572.html">Voy Forum</A>. |
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45 <B>MPlayer</B> also suffered from intermittent problems that were all solved by |
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47 workarounds for some of the 2.96 issues, but we refused to fix other people's |
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48 bugs, especially since some workarounds may imply a performance penalty.</P> |
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50 <P>You can read about the other side of the story |
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51 <A HREF="http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html">here</A>. |
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52 GCC 2.96 does not allow | (pipe) characters in assembler comments |
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53 because it supports Intel as well as AT&T Syntax and the | character is a |
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54 symbol in the Intel variant. The problem is that it <B>silently</B> ignores the |
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55 whole assembler block. This is supposedly fixed now, GCC prints a warning instead |
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58 <P><B>The present:</B> Red Hat says that GCC 2.96-85 and above is fixed. The |
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59 situation has indeed improved, yet we still see problem reports on our |
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60 mailing lists that disappear with a different compiler. In any case it does not |
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61 matter any longer. Hopefully a maturing GCC 3.x will solve the issue for good. |
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62 If you want to compile with 2.96 give the <CODE>--disable-gcc-checking</CODE> |
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63 flag to configure. Remember that you are on your own and <B>do not report any |
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64 bugs</B>. If you do, you will only get banned from our mailing list because |
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65 we have had more than enough flame wars over GCC 2.96. Please let the matter rest.</P> |
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68 Red Hat <A HREF="ftp://updates.redhat.com">ftp server</A>, or just go for the | |
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70 packages (unofficial, but working fine) | |
71 <A HREF="ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/gcc3/3.1-1/">here</A> and you can | |
72 install them along the gcc-2.96 you already have. MPlayer will detect it and | |
73 use 3.1 instead of 2.96. If you do not want to or cannot use the binary | |
74 packages, here is how you can compile GCC 3.1 from source:</P> | |
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6055 | 77 <LI>Go to the <A HREF="http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html">GCC mirrors page</A> |
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6055 | 79 complete C compiler and is sufficient for <B>MPlayer</B>. If you also want |
80 C++, Java or some of the other advanced GCC features | |
6574 | 81 <CODE>gcc-3.1.tar.gz</CODE> may better suit your needs.</LI> |
6055 | 82 <LI>Extract the archive with<BR> |
6574 | 83 <CODE>tar -xvzf gcc-core-3.1.tar.gz</CODE></LI> |
6055 | 84 <LI>GCC is not built inside the source directory itself like most programs, |
85 but needs a build directory outside the source directory. Thus you need to | |
86 create this directory via<BR> | |
87 <CODE>mkdir gcc-build</CODE></LI> | |
88 <LI>Then you can proceed to configure gcc in the build directory, but you need | |
89 the configure from the source directory:<BR> | |
90 <CODE>cd gcc-build<BR> | |
6574 | 91 ../gcc-3.1/configure</CODE></LI> |
6055 | 92 <LI>Compile GCC by issuing this command in the build directory:<BR> |
93 <CODE>make bootstrap</CODE></LI> | |
94 <LI>Now you can install GCC (as root) by typing<BR> | |
95 <CODE>make install</CODE></LI> | |
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98 <P><A NAME=binary><B>Binary distribution of MPlayer</B></A></P> |
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101 0.90-pre1. <B>MPlayer</B> previously contained source from the OpenDivX project, |
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102 which disallows binary redistribution. This code has been removed and you are now |
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105 <P>Another impediment to binary redistribution was compiletime optimizations |
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107 (specify the <CODE>--enable-runtime-cpudetection</CODE> option when | |
108 compiling). It is disabled by default because it implies a small speed | |
109 sacrifice, it is now possible to create binaries that run on different | |
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112 <P><A NAME=nvidia><B>nVidia</B></A></P> |
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117 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> |
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119 and their poor quality, instability and poor user and expert support. |
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123 Many of these problems/issues keep appearing repeatedly. |
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124 We have been contacted by nVidia lately, and they said these bugs |
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125 do not exist, instability is caused by bad AGP chips, and they received |
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126 no reports of driver bugs (like the purple line). So if you have a |
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127 problem with your nVidia card, you are advised to update the nVidia driver |
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128 and/or buy a new motherboard or ask nVidia to supply open-source drivers. |
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129 In any case, if you are using the nVidia binary drivers and facing driver related problems, |
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130 please be aware that you will receive very little help from our side because we have |
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131 little power to help in this matter.</P> |
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133 <P><A NAME="barr"><B>Joe Barr</B></A></P> |
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136 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1214.mplayer.html"> |
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137 <B>MPlayer</B> review</A>. He found <B>MPlayer</B> hard to install, but then |
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139 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-06/lw-06-exam.html">reading documentation</A>. |
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140 He also concluded that the developers were unfriendly and the documentation |
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141 incomplete and insulting. You be the judge. |
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142 He went on to mention <B>MPlayer</B> negatively in his |
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143 <A HREF="http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1227.predictions.html">10 Linux predictions for 2002</A> |
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147 quotes his exchange with Günter Bartsch, the original author of xine, that |
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148 perfectly summarizes the whole situation:</P> |
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150 <BLOCKQUOTE> |
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151 However, he also went on to say that he was "surprised" by my column about |
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152 Mplayer and thought it was unfair, reminding me that it is a free software |
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153 project. "If you don't like it," Bartsch said, "you're free not to use it." |
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156 <P>He does not reply to our mails. His editor does not reply to our mails. |
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157 Here are some quotes from different people about Joe Barr, so you can form your |
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160 <P>Marc Rassbach has <A HREF="http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=2102">something to say</A> |
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165 You may all remember the LinuxWorld 2000, when he claimed that Linus T said |
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169 </BLOCKQUOTE> |
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171 <P>A <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2001-December/009118.html">quote</A> |
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173 <A HREF="http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/">mplayer-users</A> |
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177 <P>He's interesting, but not good at avoiding, um... controversy. Joe Barr |
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181 <P>He used to go over-the-top, flaming people, and I suspect he had some hard |
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183 subtle humor was not his mode in those earlier days, not at all.</P> |
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